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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
9:18 AM Post #4840300
| I bought this plant at a local garden center this winter.No tag,but I was told it was some sort of jasmine.It had just finished flowering,and it appeared that the flowers were small and white.It has grown considerably.I know these are lousy pics but do you all know what it might be?It would determine where I plant it this spring! 
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
9:18 AM Post #4840302
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
9:19 AM Post #4840306
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ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)
April 21, 2008
9:48 AM Post #4840398
| I'd definitely wait and figure out what it is before you plant it--I honestly can't think of any jasmines (either the "true" jasmines in genus Jasminum or the other plants that go by the common name jasmine) that would be hardy in zone 5a so you may need to keep it in a pot so you can bring it in for the winter.
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
9:59 AM Post #4840445
| ecrane,not a problem as I do almost ALL my gardening in pots! Too many deer in our yard so I have to garden on the deck.This is growing so quickly,it seems it has to be a vine/climber. |
LariAnn
Miami, FL
(Zone 10a)
April 21, 2008
10:03 AM Post #4840456
| That plant is Murraya paniculata, the "Orange Jasmine"; it is not a true Jasmine, but is closely related to citrus. The flowers do have a sweet jasmine fragrance, however.
The plant is tropical and must be brought in during frost and freezing weather.
LariAnn
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
10:11 AM Post #4840486
| LariAnn,thank you so much! NOT a vine,then. Should I cut it back to make it bush out a little? |
LariAnn
Miami, FL
(Zone 10a)
April 21, 2008
10:27 AM Post #4840585
| It will naturally form a bush, albeit a large one. I have a small one in my front yard and it is already over 6 feet tall. It does grow somewhat slowly. You may trim it back a little to get it to bush sooner, however.
LariAnn |
vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
April 21, 2008
3:31 PM Post #4841986
| Sorry to contradict you LariAnn, but this is definitely not a Murraya, but a true Jaminum, probably polyanthum [HYPERLINK@toptropicals.com] , but there are others that look very similar, like officinale [HYPERLINK@www.desert-tropicals.com] It was most like over-wintering in that Garden Centre's greenhouse or being sold as a "tropical" to put outside during the Summer.
Fixed the TopTropicals link so hopefully it works now!
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LariAnn
Miami, FL
(Zone 10a)
April 21, 2008
3:37 PM Post #4842023
| I stand corrected; I'm not an expert on Jasminum and was unaware that some had pinnately divided leaves. On taking a closer look, it is obvious to me now that this plant is not Murraya. My bad!
LariAnn |
vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
April 21, 2008
3:51 PM Post #4842088
| I wasn't trying to be mean with the correction LariAnn. It's just that both those plants are personal favourites, especially the Jasmin. Everyday I go out and cut fresh branches from my rather large, overgrown shrub (about 10ft.x10ft.) to bring inside and put in every room! I just received seeds from a trade, of Murraya paniculata and hope they're viable so I can start up enough plants to make a hedge of it lol!
By the way, how do you use italics here? I recently learned how to use quotes, but now I need to know how to italicize things.
vm |
tigerlily123
Raleigh, NC
(Zone 7b)
April 21, 2008
9:07 PM Post #4843546
| Ok-heres a third opinion, and I am not certain about it, but I am pretty sure that that is not a true jasmine-esp not polyanthum. The leaves don't look right at all to me. I also didn't think it was a Murraya, but then I went a looked at a few of mine, esp at the leaves and I thought "maybe". But on the other hand, I can't really get a good read from the photos. There is a plant that it reminded me of-but now I can't remember...
I'll go look at some of my jasmines in the am and look at the leaves of polyanthum or the officinale-
At any rate, it needs full sun wherever you put it, and will most likely either die or die back (depending on if it is not a jasmine or a Murraya). You could keep it in a pot with a trellis of some sort in the pot and sink the pot and bring it in over the winter if it turns out not to be hardy. |
golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
10:07 PM Post #4843919
| Vanillaman ,I looked at pics of both of the Jasminum polyanthum and officinale and it very well may be one of those,but my leaves seem to be more rounded.I have had it for a couple of months and it has grown like a weed.I even rooted cuttings already and gave them to my daughter! I have only taken it outdoors this week as it has been unseasonably warm here.I will grow it on my deck and bring it in ,in the fall.Perhaps these photos will be better.Here is new growth: 
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
10:08 PM Post #4843931
| Here is a pic of an older leaflet: 
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 21, 2008
10:10 PM Post #4843956
| If it IS a vine,how does it attach itself? I see no indication of winding around supports |
plantladylin
East Central, FL
(Zone 9a)
April 21, 2008
10:33 PM Post #4844105
| Jasminum polyanthum: [HYPERLINK@davesgarden.com] Beautiful plant and very fragrant blossoms.
My first thought was that it resembles one of my Pandora Vine's which don't really put out tendrils that attach to anything, like some vines. It just kinda trails all over and around the trellis. I have one solid green one and another that has variegated foliage.
[HYPERLINK@davesgarden.com] But the leaves and flowers are different.
I agree with Vanillaman that your plant looks to be Jasminum.
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vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
April 21, 2008
10:40 PM Post #4844160
| It definitely needs support to climb and you should anticipate lots of growth, espcially since it's still only April and it is just beginning it's growth cycle, lol! They will wind around anything they can, but it's mostly the base of the leaf that will grab something and clasp on very tightly. Maybe I can find a photo. If I were you, I would not prune it anymore but let it just take off for you. Otherwise you will forfeit lots of potential flowers. If it starts to grow away from whatever supports you give it, just bring that stem back and wind it or stick it through something so it will stay put. The species "polyanthum" is widely grown and sold up there as houseplants and they are usually sold already trained on a hoop, like they do with Stephanotis. I hope it flowers for you later in the season or Fall. They usually prefer cooler temps to flower. When I had them in my greenhouse in Canada, they were very late Winter/early Spring bloomers, but sometimes again in the Fall.
I'm still trying to find better pics, and apparently that first link I posted, doesn't work.
vm |
plantladylin
East Central, FL
(Zone 9a)
April 21, 2008
10:47 PM Post #4844203
| My neighbors have Confederate Jasmine: [HYPERLINK@www.floridata.com] (not a true jasmine) growing all over a wood fence in their backyard. It's blooming and scenting the neighborhood right now. Wonderful fragrance! I have a little variegated one in a container on my deck but it doesn't get the amount of sun it needs to bloom a lot.
This one is also sold a lot here in Florida: [HYPERLINK@www.floridata.com] |
vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
April 21, 2008
10:50 PM Post #4844226
| Some of the Jasminums have more rounded leaves than others, even within the same species, and there are cultivars too. [HYPERLINK@toptropicals.com] |
vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
April 21, 2008
10:55 PM Post #4844256
| Hey plantladylin aka "Blondie"! I'm surprised you don't have a Confederate Jasmine. I thought you had at least one of everything there at your house, lol! |
plantladylin
East Central, FL
(Zone 9a)
April 22, 2008
7:48 AM Post #4845368
| LOL, Vanillaman: We had Confederate Jasmine many years ago ... it was climbing up the side of the drainpipe on the side of the house and ended up attaching itself to the roof and shingles ... my husband asked me why in the world I had planted it so close to the house! It was small when I planted it ... guess I had the idea that I would keep it pruned each year.  It was not fun trying to tearing it down, those branches can get pretty thick and strong. Not good to let it grow on the roof I guess, could cause damage. So, it got dug up and thrown out.
Oh how I wish I had one of everything growing at my house! I do love Jasmine and Honeysuckle but they get out of control and want to take over the world! Same for Sword Ferns and Asparagus Sprengeri Ferns! We've had our share of those taking over our yard at one time or another too ... |
golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 22, 2008
8:16 AM Post #4845485
| Thank you all for the ID! Jasmine it is! |
vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
April 22, 2008
1:19 PM Post #4847245
| Why don't you consider following this thread up with another one when it flowers, so we can all see what it ultimately turned out to be? Just a suggestion!
vm |
golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
April 22, 2008
7:11 PM Post #4848709
| Will do,vanillaman.Thanks again for your help!
Gail |
vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
April 22, 2008
7:55 PM Post #4848941
| You're welcome Gail, look forward to seeing the flowers! |
golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
August 20, 2008
7:02 PM Post #5443501
| Hello!
I was asked to follow up on this thread when my plant flowered.It has opened it's first bloom today.It is about the size of a large white impatiens flower and has a wonderful "jasmine " fragrance.I would have to agree with those of you that said it was Jasminum polyanthum. See what you think!
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
August 20, 2008
7:03 PM Post #5443507
| Buds 
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ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)
August 20, 2008
8:40 PM Post #5444062
| Mmm...I'm not so sure about that. J. polyanthum blooms in late winter/early spring, so this is a really weird time for it to be blooming. J. officinale looks similar and it blooms in late summer/early fall so I think it's a stronger possibility. Your leaves still look a little more rounded than either polyanthum or officinale though, but I'm not sure what the range of natural variability would be. |
tigerlily123
Raleigh, NC
(Zone 7b)
August 20, 2008
9:55 PM Post #5444540
| thats what i was thinking, ecrane-in fact I was just thinking that I should go and check mine for blooms since this was blooming, but I have never seen mine bloom at this time of year either, and my blooms are smaller than this one. Nice plant though! |
golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
August 20, 2008
11:03 PM Post #5444871
| I think I might have found it! Jasminum grandiflorum 'De Grasse' [HYPERLINK@www.shrublandparknurseries.co.uk]
[HYPERLINK@www.roselandhouse.co.uk]
The desription and photos are about perfect. |
ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)
August 20, 2008
11:06 PM Post #5444888
| Jasminum grandiflorum is a synonym for Jasminum officinale. Are your flowers really 2 inches? If so then I guess it could be that cultivar, but otherwise it's probably either the straight species or another cultivar, I'm not sure in a case like this that you can confidently ID it down to the cultivar level. |
Kalpavriksha
Sarasota, FL
August 22, 2008
2:10 PM Post #5452967
| If this is grandiflorum, you will get new flower buds on either side of this flower, and the flower stems (pedicels) will be longer than the center one.
Here's a photo with the left leaf removed. The first, or main flower is in the center, the secondary or side flowers you can see to the left and right.
Does anybody know if DNA studies are being done on this genus? (sounds like a great grant-$$)
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vanillaman
San Gerardo de Rivas
(Costa Rica)
(Zone 11)
August 23, 2008
6:49 PM Post #5458455
| I consider myself very fortunate, especially since I love this plant so much. Mine grow and flower non-stop all year, lol! |
golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
August 24, 2008
3:31 PM Post #5462063
| Ok,just got back from a visit.Yes! They really ARE 2 inches across!Here is a photo I just took and the flower is starting to wilt from the heat.
Kalpravriksha,the following picture is one of buds.The sides are longer than the central bud.Look at it and give me your opinion.
One flower scents my whole deck,it is incredible!
I'm just so pleased I got this from a clearance rack.They were going to toss it the next day!
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
August 24, 2008
3:35 PM Post #5462078
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Kalpavriksha
Sarasota, FL
August 29, 2008
4:57 PM Post #5484153
| That's definately J. grandiflorum. There are many varieties, it seems. There's also a whole lot of confusion in cross names like "J. officinale var. grandiflorum."
If you've matched it with a good photo of the "de Grasse" variety; so be it!
I'm seeing you're zone 5-a. I'd be a bit cautious to paranoid about sticking it outside in the ground.
You can take cuttings whenever it develops half-hardwood (no flimsey, softwood. It's easier to make ground layers. As an 'arm' grows long, you can pin the 'wrist' below the soil line. Bury it with 1" of soil. You can use a flowerpot, or better yet, a small planter 6" x 1 ft rectangular. You'll get a new shoot from the rooted area. Any part of the stem a leaf is attached, roots can develop.
My photo above is called J. affine. It's semi-double, extremely sweet and has a lot of oil. I'll pick maybe a dozen flowers, line a small rectangular microwave dish with a piece of wet paper towel and the flowers go on top. I'll bring that to work. By days end, any water still left (or added) you can see an oil slick.
Makes a nice organic cleaner/fragrance wipe.
Also along the fence is J. officinale (flowers small, thin, and pinkish in bud); J. sambac Grand duke; J. sambac Maid of Orleans; J. humile; J. azoricum; J. adenophyllum; J. molle; J. polyanthum (not doing well) & J. multiflorum. 2nd row along the w. side house foundation in 3 gal pots 4 Maid of O; 1 Gr. dk; & a J. illicifolium.
Oops! Didn't mean to write a book!
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golgi
Willoughby, OH
(Zone 5a)
September 2, 2008
12:31 PM Post #5498576
| Thaniks for all the info,Kalpravriksha! I am definitely bringing this in for winter.It did fine for several months last winter until I planted it outside.I am going to try the "wipe" idea.I might let it dry and use it in my linen drawer. |
