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By Jean-Jacques Segalen (jjacques)
May 25, 2008
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Of course you all know about tree climbing unless you were raised in the Gobi desert or North Pole, everyone as a child has climbed trees either to grab some appetizing cherries or just for the hell of it. But what is secure tree climbing then?

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As it implies, secure tree climbing means that you are able to climb a tree without breaking a limb or falling flat on the ground. Just like for rocks climbing the securing will be done by a rope, the best no-fall device so far invented together with wings but more easily available to men...As quoted in the introduction most people have and some still do climb trees for various reasons, an activity deeply printed in our elder chromosomes. I also climbed trees as a young boy as I was lucky enough to have a large garden with huge trees, apple trees and pear trees as well as a large walnut and my parents would take me to the woods every once in a while so I could switch to pine trees, oaks and birches. Then I grew up and after various trials and travels I found out that seed was my thing so I set up this tropical seed business after a few years on Reunion Island. Image

  Dear patient reader, we are now almost there! Yes, seeds grow on plants and some of those plants are trees or vines that creep all the way up and this is where I have to go for harvest. So of course I could still happily climb barefoot and gather a few ripe pods here and there but this was not enough for real business like when the customers want kilos of those seeds! Soon I was confronted with several problems; one was how in the heck to climb a tree which first branches were several meters high? The second one was; how do I hold to the tree AND work at the same time? And then how could I ever reach the end of this tiny branch which would obviously hold only a fat squirrel but is covered with ripe seeds? What about slippery bark when it is wet (and of course it tends to be quite wet right under the Capricorn tropic!). So after a few frights and bruised spots I decided to follow a short training with arborists. Image

 

  Arborists are the people who work on trees (‘arbor' in Latin) often for pruning them. This work was traditionally performed by lumberjacks but soon proved to require more technique and fine tuning than woodcutters would supply. The basic tool was a lanyard, a piece of rope securing the worker to the tree, the very first ones being no more than a rope attached around the waist and slung over the trunk or branches to allow people to work with both hands while being secure. Soon people started using rocks climbing devices in order to work over ground with more security. The harness allowed work to be more comfortable but rock-climbing harnesses are designed in order to stop a fall and are rather uncomfortable if you spend too much time hanging in them, they also have only one central attachment point. Arborists started designing harnesses which would fit to what was needed; something strong, comfortable, with many tools holders, a central attachment for the climbing line and lateral ones for the lanyard. As the leg straps were made wider the harness sometimes was called ‘saddle'. Actually some arborists harnesses do have a kind of saddle or flat piece of material to sit on instead of leg straps for each thigh. Ropes also had to be adapted; climber's ropes are dynamic because they are designed and made in order to be elastic and absorb shocks whenever there is a fall. Arborists ropes, like speleology ropes, have to be semi-dynamic because the worker will spend time going up the rope itself and if it is too elastic it will be almost impossible to get up there. Those ropes are also often of a larger diameter (12 to 13.5 mm versus 10 or 10.5 for rock climbing ropes, the idea being to have a more comfortable grip on it and a less aggressive effect on bark. The climbing rope will be attached to the harness using a carabiner, either with a screw system or self closing, the later being much more secure as it will automatically lock when released while the screw has to be turned in order to be fully effective. Automatic biners (as we climbers call them) are divided between two -movements biners and three-movements biners, the last ones being the most secure as they are virtually impossible to open accidentally.Image Those very versatile tools are made of aluminium or steel, the later being more resistant but much heavier, the aluminium biners will anyway meet national requirements in term of security and should therefore hold around 2000 to 3000 kilo which is way enough even to hold a falling climber. Steel biners are used by arborists to secure pieces of trunks or branches when they have to be lowered to the ground instead of just thrown down.

  Other necessary pieces of equipment are; a helmet with three attachment points to make sure it stays on your head even if you smash a trunk, goggles to avoid getting sawdust and other unwanted stuff to blind you, comfortable and strong clothes, some stamina and sweat!

 

  So now here we are fully equipped at the foot of a 150 feet high spruce and ready to reach the very top. A visual inspection allows you to spot a strong enough limb about 30 feet high, just above another limb which will be used to stand on. Now starts the fun with what we call ‘tree entry', the very first tool used for such a climb is a throw bag or throwing pouch attached to a throw line. The throw bag is a small bag made of strong canvas, leather or other heavy-duty material filled with lead or iron, weighting between 8 and 20 ounces while the throw line is usually a 1/8-inch polyethylene or polypropylene line. It does take a little practice but you should soon be able to throw this about 60 feet high with correct accuracy. Very tall trees such as redwoods require a bow or a slingshot to get the business done.Image Once the bag has passed over the desired limb it will come back down to the ground where it will be untied and replaced by the climbing rope which will at his turn be hauled up over the limb and brought back down to you forming a loop over the limb. One end will be attached to the harness via a biner, the other end will be used for the friction hitch. This is a fundamental tool used to secure the climber and working both as an ascending and descending device. Basically a friction hitch is a piece of rope set in such a way that it will grip tightly on the climbing rope if weight is put on it but will also be loosened with a slight pressure from the fingers. There are many different hitches used; the Tautline Hitch, the Blake's Hitch, the Machard, the Valdotain, the Klemheist but the most frequent one is the Prussik which was invented in 1930 by an Austrian doctor who practiced speleology. ImageIt is done with a loop set up twice as a girth hitch. Once this is correctly set up the climbing can start; set up the Prussik as high as possible to tighten the climbing rope, sit back in the harness, raise one foot and make a loop around it with the rope, press on it with the other foot so as to block the rope, straighten your legs and raise your body then raise the Prussik as high as possible, it will grip on the rope as soon as you put your weight on it. This technique is called foot-lock and is guaranteed to keep your abdominal flat and strong! Repeat until you reach the limb. When you get to the place where you rope is set you have to use your lanyard, a piece of rope about 10 to 20 feet long with a biner at each end  and either a Prussik or mechanical device to shorten it as needed. The lanyard is your other life insurance as you will switch to it when you want to untie your climbing rope in order to set it higher, you also use it as a second attachment point for working in the best position. Once the job is done you come back to the ground by slightly pressing the top of the Prussik but do not go down too fast, the friction between the hitch and the rope will generate a lot of heat and going down very fast on a long rope may burn your fingers and even start melting the rope!Image

  For those of you who are already into secure tree climbing, do not get mad if false crotches, rope sleeves and other bark buddies are not mentioned here, I do use them at all time but this is too specialized topics.

  Image With a little practice and the use of climbing spurs you can also climb coconut trees and enjoy the cool water inside the nuts!Image

This is a basic presentation, do not try anything like this by yourself, it is a rather safe activity if you master the techniques but those are to be learned directly from a reliable person and performed at low elevation before you start getting high up! See you on top some day!Image


  About Jean-Jacques Segalen  
Jean-Jacques SegalenI am a Parisian born professional horticulturist specialized in tropical seeds producing, set on Reunion island (just between Mauritius and Madagascar) 17 years ago. I spend a lot of time gathering seeds in the wild, the ones I do not grow that is. Also a dedicated Tai-Chi practitioner and tree climber!

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Subject: Where's the Adventure if it's "Secure"?


Posted by mamoriah (from Maitland, FL) on May 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM:

While your article is full of wonderful information, and may be practical, my whole sense of adventure is insulted by suggesting that I climb a tree 'securely'. LOL! I would much rather dare the scare than securely climb the pine. I relish my memory of climbing some Australian pine trees behind a hangar on the DeLand Airport when my father took me to work with him one summer. I remember swaying in the breeze with the trees and thinking I was almost in heaven! It was the next best thing to flying. I survived to learn how to fly a real airplane, but I wouldn't trade that memory for anything! "Ma"

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 28, 2008 at 1:00 PM:

Hey Ma,
I certainly understand you fully here, I also love to climb barefoot and enjoy the contact of the bark. Now secure climbing is related to this dark side of life called WORK. I mean, if you are to get up some 25m (75feet) high with a chainsaw and have to do it for hours on everyday it is very different from leisure climbing, I am sure you will follow me. As for flying I would definitely prefer flying with my own body than being stuck in a kind of metal box;))

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Subject: Safe climbing

Posted by KyWoods (from Melbourne, KY) on May 27, 2008 at 8:15 PM:

Gosh, JJ, your way sounds a lot safer than my Dad's. Dad was just a young pup of 40 when he put this contraption up. His plan was to generate his own power with a windmill, made with an old WWII fighter jet propeller (acquired at the scrapyard where he works) attached to the top of a very tall tree on his property. Alas, there was never enough wind, and the propeller eventually fell down somehow. The ladder, however, is still there. I started to climb it one day, but after 30 years, I don't trust it...LOL



Turn your head to the left to view:

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 28, 2008 at 12:40 AM:

Hey Ky,
This is exactly the kind of thing when accidents happen, I mean you cannot properly work at high elevation if you are not properly secured and working on top of a ladder is really dangerous anyway, I'd rather be out on a limb;))

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Posted by KyWoods (from Melbourne, KY) on May 28, 2008 at 1:00 AM:

Wow, my pic didn't post!

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM:

Oh then I can stop turning my head to the left?;))

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Posted by KyWoods (from Melbourne, KY) on May 28, 2008 at 2:15 AM:

ROFL, I'll leave that up to you!

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Subject: Natural tree climbing

Posted by Potagere (from (Jim) Farges
(France)) on May 27, 2008 at 4:37 PM:

Maybe the trees were shorter where I grew up & when I was a kid, but we never seemed to need carabiners, ropes with Prussik knots, "false sleeves" or any of that other stuff we later discovered useful in MOUNTAIN climbing to climb a tree with a reasonable degree of "safety". OK, there WERE accidents, but, of course, there are NONE with these high-tech, paranoic techniques predicated on a 21st century fixation on safety?
I also lived several years in Papua New Guinea, where the "technique" of climbing coconut trees without any "spurs" except those that naturally occur on your feet was normal. A bit difficult to learn if you grew up climbing maples and oaks, but I never saw or heard of a casualty.
Some experiences in life can be made so "secure" that they are no longer "experiences".
John-Jacques seems to have so reduced tree climbing to such a technicality.
Bravo!
And the French claim thet the Americans have no "soul".

Potagere

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 28, 2008 at 12:38 AM:

Hi Potagere,
I also climbed many a tree as a kid, just as you did. But did you really climbed on top of trees 20 or 30m high? You sure? And did you spend some two or three hours in the same tree gathering fruits and seeds? Having to use both hands to pick them? I tell you what, here on Reunion we grow many litchi trees and every year some young strong supples nice gentlement climb to pick the ripe litchis and EVERY YEAR my friend in the emergency staff of the hospital sees some of those youngsters brought in with broken spine or crushed skill. This is the kind of "experience" you should try just once, you may change your mind then. Or you may also experiment not using your car's security belt...
And I am not a strong supple young man, I am 50 and have this job to do and I want to do it for a long time.

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Posted by Potagere (from (Jim) Farges
(France)) on June 21, 2008 at 8:30 PM:

Jean-Jacques,

I guess I read your article from the point of view of an ordinary person, not a professional, repetitive labourer, and it seems I am not the only person to have made that "error".

20 meters is about 63 feet American, and, oh, yeah, I'm SURE I've been up that high, at least once to "rescue" a misguided child and the cat he thought he was trying to save (He wouldn't let me help him down before I got the cat, who kept on climbing as I got near"). Whoops! The only gear I had were my hands and feet.

In my 4 years in PNG (and, not to get into meaningless competition with French Reunion, the coconut palm trees there are as high as your litchis), we treated a lot of stonefish poison from the reef divers, but not a single "broken spine or crushed skill" from limbing and harvesting coconuts. Maybe it was a good 4 years, or maybe the Reunion climbers need to forget the tackle and learn to climb from the PNG climbers!

Thanks for the suggestion of driving without a seatbelt, Since I am 60, and have driven since I was 18, and have never in all that time had a collision accident, the parallel is irrelevant. Like most people, I wear the belt because the law requires it.

Outside of professional "arborism", I still think your precautions and equipment make little sense and, if taken too deeply to heart, would indeed reduce the normal experience of tree climbing to a technicality, additionally enveloping us all in the cocoon of "security" that the modern world embraces.

I don't buy it.

But, I guess that carabiners, Prussik knots, "false sleeves" and other gear designed for climbing ice covered, inaccessible peaks are just part of the price one pays for living in paradise. N'est c'est pas?

Potagere

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on June 22, 2008 at 9:24 AM:

Potagere
I clearly understand your point of view but you just mix two things; climbing for fun or to get something quick and then back to the ground and climbing for working, ie spending several hours up in a tree and needing both hands to work and do it for days on. This is simply 'experience' (nice when you have the time) versus work where you have pressure. I simply cannot see how you can perform the task of walking on a limb which could not mechanicaly take your weight and doing so without the help of your hands but maybe I am too clumsy.
People who get broken spines here do not fall from coconut trees but from lichee trees, the wood is very breakable and as they get paid by the weight they always want to harvest more and faster.
For my part I certainly do not use a seatbelt because of the law but because I do not want to get smashed which to me makes much more sense, just like I used to wea an helmet when riding a motorbike while many people prefer to experience the wind on thier face.
And I also use protective gloves and garments when I use a chainsaw, just like all my colleagues and there still are some accidents, rather gore experiences to say the least and once you've lost a limb you look at 'security coccon' very differently.

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Posted by mdvaden (from Jacksonville / Ruch, OR) on December 13, 2008 at 1:56 AM:

I enjoy free climbing certain trees to like 30 or 40 feet. If they are more sturdy than a ladder, and I can maintain 3 points of contact, I consider the tree safer than the ladder.

But gear has it's purpose.

At least in our area, trees can get slippery bark, and sometimes there is slick algae. A wrong climb at the wrong time of year can be a bad experience is a foot slips and there is no safety attachment. Dry season is a different deal.

But the climbing with climbing gear, provides a good option for people if they want to reduce the risk due to inexperience or unseen hazards. Gear helps compensate for pieces of a tree that can smack someone in the head and take them off guard or off balance. Even a branch whipping in the face can be a hazardous distraction at times.

Liked the article jjacques ...

By the way, you might get amusement from a page I just posted online a couple of weeks ago.

[HYPERLINK@www.mdvaden.com]

It's not an anti-climbing page. It's a pro-pondering page. And tailored to research climbing more so than recreational climbing.

Cheers.

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on December 14, 2008 at 1:10 AM:

Hi Mario,
I completely agree with your article, studying a living biotope wherever it is and whoever conducts the study will impact it. I spend a lot of time in the wild, either on the ground or up on a limb, harvesting seeds and always try to keep the lowest impact possible but returning to the same places year after year I can spot the scars and broken pieces. Anyway I am afraid that I soon as we enter a place we modify it, I often walk and climb barefoot but even if this avoids bruising bark with shoe soles it stills affects it.
The article just focused on presenting gear and technique used to allow people to work safely and efficiently in trees, I cannot imagine how even the best and most experienced New-Guinean climbers could reach the top of a giant redwood just using feet and hands...
All the best
Jean-Jacques

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Subject: Well done

Posted by doccat5 (from Fredericksburg, VA) on May 25, 2008 at 1:06 PM:

Well done and very informative article. Thanks for sharing!

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM:

Thanks for appreciating!

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Subject: What an inspiration!

Posted by gloria125 (from Greensboro, AL) on May 25, 2008 at 10:31 AM:

I hope you have inspired everyone to climb a tree! There is nothing like the leafy view from a tree top! And my favorite is the view of the sky from a cherry tree full of ripe cherries.

[HYPERLINK@www.google.com]

I looked up Reunion Island. Its in the Indian Ocean.

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Posted by Sharran (from Calvert City, KY) on May 25, 2008 at 11:55 AM:

You brought back a childhood memory! And what a beautiful place to live.
Thanks JJ, for the article and Gloria for the link.

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 25, 2008 at 12:02 PM:

Thanks for the link Gloria, I always forget Reunion is not at the center of the world...but just on the side!
Yes indeed a nice and peaceful place

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Posted by gloria125 (from Greensboro, AL) on May 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM:

Sounds like paradise, jjacques. I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this article. Ive climbed trees, mostly to escape pigs, my brothers, or to pick cherries. But never with the equipment you display here. A whole world, Ive never imagined!

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM:

Of course the equipment is designed for work but can also be used for pleasure, over all it makes it perfectly secure.
How come you had to escape from pigs?

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Posted by gloria125 (from Greensboro, AL) on May 25, 2008 at 3:02 PM:

We had a pig, Elmer who thought it was great fun to chase me to the crab apple tree where I could swing up and let myself down on the other side of the fence where he could not enter.

This was a long time ago, but I think I could still scale that crab apple tree.

Don't you have pigs on Reunion??

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Posted by critterologist (from Frederick, MD) on May 25, 2008 at 11:27 PM:

Great article! A friend / colleague in grad school used similar techniques to collect lichen samples from the upper branches of tall trees... Douglas Firs, I believe. When caught without his rope & 'biners, he could scale a trunk using a short length of rope or even his belt, in the style of telephone linemen. (The short rope goes from one ankle, around the back side of the tree trunk to the other ankle... then he'd sort of leap up, grab the trunk with hands and the edges of his feet and use the rope to help brace his grip as he shimmied up like a monkey. Hey, I thought it was cool, LOL.)

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 25, 2008 at 11:59 PM:

That's a good one, Elmer the pig! Yes we do have pigs here but they are all well educated in the way of French gentlemen and don't chase girls;))
Oh yes such climbing is used by biologists to collect plants samples or insects or whatever is needed from the canopy. The telephone linemen technique requires good technique, muscles and nerves for sure but pretty coll indeed!

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Posted by gloria125 (from Greensboro, AL) on May 26, 2008 at 7:44 AM:

Are you telling me French gentlement don't chase girls?

Really good article, JJacques. It gives me some ideas.

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 26, 2008 at 8:40 AM:

Well, they are clever enough not to chase them up the trees...
Recreational climbing seems like a growing thing in the US, check [HYPERLINK@www.treeclimbercoalition.org] [HYPERLINK@www.newtribe.com] and if you can decipher French [HYPERLINK@www.allo-olivier.com]

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Posted by gloria125 (from Greensboro, AL) on May 26, 2008 at 8:56 AM:

user: forrest grimp. ha ha

Thanks for the links.

I don't know why Elmer had so much fun chasing me. He was a big big pig and I didn't ask questions.

I did turn out to be a pretty good runner though!

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Subject: great

Posted by Dutchlady1 (from Naples, FL) on May 25, 2008 at 6:20 AM:

Jean-Jacques you always write about such interesting topics!! Be careful coming down those trees ... :-)

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on May 25, 2008 at 8:33 AM:

This is a great article. Trees were made for climbing. How expensive is the equipment?

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 25, 2008 at 9:47 AM:

Thanks for the attention, Lady, I am careful when I get up there, travel around the tree and come back down. Encounter with local wasps is a main danger, they are fast and carry a nasty venom.
Ian, I agree 100%, trees are for climbing not for logging...The equipment is rather expensive but you can keep it for quite a time if you treat it right and as your life depends on it it is never too expensive...anyway, a basic equipment would comprise a saddle (200 US$), 120 feet climbing rope (98$), self-made safety line (rope, pulley, biners; 50$), helmet (60$), throw bags and throw line (40$), a couple biners, some straps, glasses, bark protector etc (80$) add it up...or you can get a kit for around 500 bucks at newtribe (www.newtribe.com).

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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on May 25, 2008 at 4:00 PM:

Good article, JJ!

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on May 26, 2008 at 5:39 PM:

Mate, I will be looking into it. You have showed me something I want to do, but didn't know till now. Thank you very much JJ.
Ian

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 27, 2008 at 12:30 AM:

Mate, I am ready to teach you anytime, you have such great trees down under!

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on May 28, 2008 at 1:35 AM:

Yeah. I'll be falling out of some real beauties. There is a huge mulberry I want to coppice & another big leaf-privet that has to come down completely. I'll learn to do it safely now.

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 28, 2008 at 2:08 AM:

It may be possible to follow some course with Australian arborists, I guess there must be some association in Sydney. Now climbing safely is one thing but climbing and using sharp tools is another level, watch your fingers nerd, we all need them on your keyboard!

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on May 28, 2008 at 6:17 AM:

Yeah. I know. What could possibly go wrong hanging from a tree whilst using a chainsaw? As it happens, I am copicing a smaller mulberry tommorrow so I can get some practice from the ground. If you don't hear from me in a while, I'll be at the hospital. :)

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 28, 2008 at 6:50 AM:

The nice thing with the chainsaw compared to handsaw is that the noise will cover the howling...Actually I would say that the problem when up in the tree is to find the right position for working so you can see precisely what you are doing and where you are cutting as you have to do it properly in order for the tree to heal correctly. You also have to use real sharp tools, I bought myself professional pruning saws made in Japan (Nakamura and ARS are very good) and recently purchased saw-proof gloves and cuffs which already saved me from a few scars...

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on May 28, 2008 at 10:19 AM:

OK. Well, I won't be getting into the big trees till spring or so. The Privet has to come down somehow & if you look at the cost of hiring professionals & compare it to the fun you are having, it makes sense to learn the skills & get the equipment.
Btw, I forgot to send a seed order all week, I've been that flat out. I'll do it now so you can put your new equipment to work. The Spathodea would go OK here you reckon? It looks nice.
Ian

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 28, 2008 at 1:04 PM:

Hmm, loggin a tree may be fun for the first hour but if you ever crush your neighbor's glasshouse it won't be fun anymore...As they say in the song 'careful with that axe Eugene!' (was is the Grateful Dead?).
Spathodea is fantastic and should do fine. I'll try to pick the last Bunchosia seeds for you.
How come is the Aloe article so short? Still working on it?

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on May 31, 2008 at 10:17 AM:

The aloe article is barely started mate. The first tree is down & it was Pink Floyd who did that song. Sorry I've been absent but I got heaps done over the last few days. Funny how it works. I started off needing to rearrange my potting set up because I am getting overwhelmed with young plants of different types. I wound up rearranging my whole home, inside & out & am still repainting furniture. Shouldn't have started in the first place I guess but a lot of plants are happier now at least.

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on May 31, 2008 at 3:36 PM:

I see. After a visit to the website herbsarespecial I started drinking aloe infusion, pretty good. Busy man! How can you do all this plus working and writing for DG? Do you only sleep an hour a night?

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on May 31, 2008 at 7:29 PM:

I do have some insomnia but I am just on a mission atm. You know how it is. I enjoy most things I do so its just living. How do you find time to get out to the wilds? That's what I'd like more of.

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Posted by jjacques (from LE TAMPON
(Reunion (French))) on June 1, 2008 at 2:54 AM:

Most of my missions ARE out in the wild, I go back home only to type on the computer and pack seeds, I cannot stay too long indoor before getting nervous and shaky;))

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Posted by GranvilleSouth on June 3, 2008 at 1:51 PM:

OK. Fair enough. Maybe that's my problem.
You know JJ, its just stopped pouring rain now for the first time since June began. Outside a brief fall at the full moon, we barely got a drop in May but from the moment winter started & the moon changed, its been bucketing down. Wierd hey?
I've been noticing a very obvious correlation between rain & the moon. I mean clear as a bell, which makes me wonder how I missed it before & why it isn't more commonly observed. It is also seems fair to say that seeds basically do not germinate during waning moons at all. That is proving to be the big obstacle to my experiment & probably why seeds planted during waning moons result in weaker plants. I doubt its tidal forces though, like some say because most seeds are not planted in the ground. I reckon seeds naturally follow the moon themselves & sprout when rain is more reliable. It makes more sense that plants have evolved lunar responsiveness than merely the moon working a one-sided process.
What do you think?
Ian

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