Posted by crimsontsavo (from Crossville, TN) on August 13, 2008 at 1:42 AM:I am already thinking of ways to modify this for my own use.
Thank you so much!!
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Posted by Dutchlady1 (from Naples, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 6:42 AM:
Very impressive. Good article with clear descriptions.
As long as I will stay in SW Florida I will never need this... but good to know anyway!
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Posted by Bubba_MoCity (from Missouri City, TX) on August 13, 2008 at 8:39 AM:
Outstanding article, as usual.
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Posted by gardenwife (from Newark, OH) on August 13, 2008 at 8:40 AM:
Great article, Darius. You make this look doable. I could see doing a very small version alongside our shed sometime.
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Posted by chatnoir (from Downers Grove, IL) on August 13, 2008 at 9:23 AM:
Thanks Darius. This gives me the blueprint to do my own next spring.
I had a disappointing early vegetable season and am determined to have better results in the future. This is exactly what I was thinking about doing.
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Posted by crimsontsavo (from Crossville, TN) on August 13, 2008 at 9:23 AM:
beats GW. SMALL? NOoOooo go BIG! LOL
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Posted by Sundownr (from (Bev) Wytheville, VA) on August 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM:
Good article Darius! I'll have to do some calculating on my specific needs. My garden is so small that I might be able to make a little (collapsible) green house using the same materials.
Between all the hands available here, we may be able to get all of ours done in a weekend, if not a long day! Ooooh, sounds like a party, err..., a barn-raisin', hehe!
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Posted by gardenwife (from Newark, OH) on August 13, 2008 at 1:15 PM:
Tsavo, our whole lot is only 40x140'! And it only gets sun in a small portion of that! LOL
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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on August 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM:
I'm glad the article has sparked some ideas for all of you! Thanks. :)
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Posted by crimsontsavo (from Crossville, TN) on August 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM:
Ahhh so you'll have ta SMOOSHIFY the greenhouse hehe.
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Posted by JaxFlaGardener (from Jacksonville, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 4:23 PM:
I had always wondered if something like this was possible using pvc pipe. Thanks for providing such clear instructions. I would never have come up with the very creative use of the recycled ax handles. I'm wondering if rebar steel in 3 ft lengths would also work (though it would be quite a bit more expensive) or smaller diameter pvc substituted for the ax handles?
Our winter temperatures here get down to only about 28 F for several hours on our coldest nights -- just enough to kill off some tropicals or freeze them back to the ground. I was able to bring my plumeria through this winter with no damage by building a frame (using wood) and pulling 8 mil translucent plastic (available at big box hardware stores) over the frame. That was sufficient to make the difference between the plumeria freezing or flourishing, and I'm happy to report, they did the latter!
Jeremy
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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM:
Jeremy, some years ago I built a 'summer house'... basically a screened enclosure with a top tarp over the frame of PVC. I didn't use large enough PVC and it soon collapsed. However I wasn't making a plant/garden enclosure, just an outside "room" free of mosquitoes so we could escape the heat of the non-AC house.
I found the fiberglass handles to be very strong The plastics company that had them also has a large outside area full of many other sizes and shapes of fiberglass, even hollow 2x2 and 4x4 tubes. I brought home several samples to play with when it becomes too cold to garden here. Who knows what inspiration will alight!
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Posted by JaxFlaGardener (from Jacksonville, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM:
Thanks, darius, for the input! One year, I was able to just use one of the cheap aluminum pole garden tents and draped the sides with heavy mil plastic. That worked well for that winter, but I wanted something a little more permanent. I called the tent structure my "Shabby Sheik Harem Tent." Not so pretty to look at, but it worked! LOL
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Posted by JaxFlaGardener (from Jacksonville, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 4:58 PM:
Here's the inside of the tent. I think I ended up holding the plastic on the outside with the over-sized hinged paper clips. Staples wouldn't hold the plastic together when the winds hit.
Jeremy
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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on August 13, 2008 at 4:59 PM:
Hey... it worked!... seems like I remember when you posted it, or something similar. My Dad lived in Jax, as did I several times when we were stationed there. Oldest brother lives out near Mayport and I know your weather well.
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Posted by JaxFlaGardener (from Jacksonville, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 5:03 PM:
How great that you were once here in Jax! You probably know the beach at Hannah Park if you were stationed at Mayport with your family. It is still about the only natural beach area left in the state of Florida. Everything else is a stretch of sand by the ocean with high rises, hotels, and motels as close as possible to the surf line. Yep, our winters are generally fairly mild, except when one of those freakish cold spells hit when it can go down to about 14 F. We even had snow enough to accumulate for a few hours sometime back in the 1980's.
Jeremy
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Posted by tigerlily123 (from Raleigh, NC) on August 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM:
It looks like the hoops are moving/slanting a bit towards the ends some-if it rains alot, does the rain puddle in the middle, on top and pull the plastic inward?
Also-I am always worried about the weight of snow on my grhouse-how does this one handle snow? I would love to figure out some kind of cold frame my self! Thanks for the article!!
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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on August 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM:
tigerlily, this one wasn't designed for year 'round use... just a season extender.
I think that for snow load (or heavy rain) I'd install cross members evenly spaced between (and connecting) all the hoops, at least at the top center. I'll have some experience after I get mine built next year. We do get some snow here, but not much in the 2 winters I've lived here. I don't expect that to always be the case...
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Posted by JaxFlaGardener (from Jacksonville, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 9:35 PM:
I've done quite a lot of "inventing" with pvc pipe. There is a pvc connector you don't see in use often, but it is a cross shape that allows four pvc pipes to connect together at one junction. That would be very useful for adding additional pvc pipes for reinforcement, but then you have to cut and glue the connectors to the pipe which makes the construction a lot more difficult.
Jeremy
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Posted by crimsontsavo (from Crossville, TN) on August 13, 2008 at 9:47 PM:
I helped my boss build a permanent greenhouse for bonsai outta plastic and PVC, it was awesome and larrgggeee. Pretty easy too, you should do another article darius, one like this but "permanent". You write so that it sounds easy and attainable!
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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on August 13, 2008 at 9:52 PM:
Jocie, Thanks. I will do more documentation when I build mine. I hadn't any thought of writing an article when we built this one back in March!
Jeremy, yes I am familiar with those connections and have glued several of them in various projects!
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Posted by JaxFlaGardener (from Jacksonville, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 9:57 PM:
Aren't they great! They add a whole new dimension for building with pvc. I have found from near dismal experience though that pvc glue does not hold up well under even a little stress. The connections will usually pop if you go much past vertical or horizontal in running the pipe (true of pvc plumbing, too, from someone that has had to crawl under the house more than once to fix a connection that popped due to stress on the connection because I thought I could get away with a bit of an angle in the pipe ---- WRONG! LOL).
Jeremy
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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on August 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM:
Jeremy, try PEX when you need some leeway...
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Posted by JaxFlaGardener (from Jacksonville, FL) on August 13, 2008 at 11:56 PM:
Thanks, darius. I'll look up PEX. I've never heard of it.
Jeremy
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Posted by Sonoita (from Sonoita, AZ) on August 14, 2008 at 11:19 AM:
The timing of this article was perfect. I have been thinking about this very idea for 2 unrelated projects; an aviary and hay storage. I am off to buy the supplies now!
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Posted by darius (from Marion, VA) on August 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM:
Hey, Sonalita... what great ideas for adapting this method! Be sure and take pictures and post them, okay?
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Posted by Sonoita (from Sonoita, AZ) on August 14, 2008 at 4:56 PM:
Sure
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